Minutes of the Feb.20th meeting

Minutes for the meeting Feb.20th/2013

Flattrack Canada would like to thank everyone that came out. Simply to make it a success, it has to be something that everyone wants and has input on. We look forward to having one more meeting prior to the first race to present a finalized version of the rulebook to see if it needs any modifications. There was over 60 people in attendance, a huge influence on rules that we were having trouble with deciding.

First of all, Aaron read the following, many topics with Q&A was handled by Aaron Hesmer and Doug Lawrence.

Good Evening everyone —–Thank you for taking the time to attend our meeting tonight.

As you may have heard, we are in the process of trying to develop a legitimate flat track motorcycle  racing series.  A series that will hopefully be very attractive to both competitors and spectators alike.

We thought that at this stage in the development of the organization it would be beneficial for all involved  to  host a public forum. Its gives us the opportunity to present some of the concepts that we have been working on up until this point. It also provides an opportunity for you, as potential competitors or spectators, to provide feedback and help direct the evolution of this series.

We would like to emphasize that although the basic structure of series is already in place , many of the associated details are still VERY MUCH A WORK IN PROGRESS. As a result, we would ask that you bear with us if we are unable to satisfactorily answer all questions or concerns that may result from tonights discussion. We will do our best to respond appropriately in a timely manner.

At this time I would like to present the Mission Statement of Flat Track Canada. This mission statement was developed prior to a meeting with the Motorcyclists Confederation of Canada in mid-January.

1.) Mission Statement

2.) Schedule

3.) Rules

4.) Q & A

Topics up for discussion (topics listed in bold):

-Let them know that safety is our number one issue.

-It was brought up that we’re looking into an air fence. The helmet and equipment rule were brought up and there was mixed feelings about enforcing latest snell 2010/ ECE rule. It came to the conclusion that the information should come from the insurer of the rule and the procedures to check the helmets.

-crashes , if a rider is involved in major wreck, then the rider must be checked and release by the EMT before participating again.

-classes

We discussed that we’d like to introduce some new classes. Overall there seemed to be a large majority that were in favour of the classes.

Flattrack Canada

Classes (initial draft)

85/150 (ages 8-15)

65 (ages 7 -12)

50 Chain (ages 5 – 10)  …. later suggested ages 4-9

50 Shaft (ages 4 – 10) ….. later suggested ages 4-8

ATV Open (ages 13+)

ATV youth (ages >13)

250 Novice (min age 13+)

450 Shoot out Amateur

450 Shoot out Pro

Amateur Open Championship

Pro Open Championship

Pro Twins

Vet +35

Vintage (Pre 90’s era)

Speedway Division 2

Speedway Division 1

 

-Colin Hoy suggested his club used to having air cooled 2 valve head (being the prerequisite for the VINTAGE CLASS.

-others suggested if the numbers were low, then to run vintage and Vet together.

-We suggested changing the Vet class to +35, but it seemed like +40 would be a better option.

-Some suggested if the Expert class was low, you could have a couple top finishing riders from the class below move up for their final

-Most people suggested that they expect at least 2 rides with one motorcycle

-Many felt that having a twins class might be very difficult to attract riders to bring their machines. Maybe having a incentive for riders with a twin machine, to ride their bike in the open class.

-FTC suggested that we want to save money for riders to keep participating. Scott Sehl suggested, instead of feeding a ‘twins class’ extra money, just to keep more money or costs down for the current classes.

– the general discussion made us think of a new format:

Flattrack Canada Rules (second draft)

Classes

85/150 (ages 8-15)

65 (ages 7 -12)

50 Chain (ages 4 – 9)

50 Shaft (ages 4 – 8)

ATV Open (ages 13+)

ATV youth (ages >13)

250 Novice (min age 13+)

 

*Amateur Open Championship

*Pro Open Championship

 

*for these 2 classes, you would have 2 practice sessions, a scratch heat (random selection), a qualifying heat, a B final or LCQ and an A final. Therefore it’s the same amount of ride time as a 450 & open classes.

 

Vet +40

Vintage (Pre 90’s era)

Speedway Division 2

Speedway Division 1

 

– FTC idea changing to this format would develop interesting racing and create races that all counted for a common goal. This system would eliminate cc regulations (possible teardowns) and would give riders an option to ride a twin.

-any of the class suggestions would need approval first. Welland wants to see the traditional format.

 

-should the shoot out class count for points?

-not forcing a champion to move up giving him an option to defend their championship for a year. They also have the option to keep the white on black number 1 if they move up.

– this issue is what has created the ‘bottle necking’ of the current field. Most felt it really depended on how the classes were structured. With the current system the top 2 or possibly 3 should transfer and therefore you would prevent guys from ‘sand bagging’ preventing them to win and move up.

-Racing Numbers.

-it was suggested by FTC to allow any legible number plate to be able to be used for 2013. 2014 would be reconsidered, therefore number plate & and numbers don’t need any specific colours.

-tires (the no grooving rule)

the rule was brought up but many suggested that this rule would save money. Modifying the tire by ‘grooving it’ allows you maintain a fresh edge. Considering the number cushion tracks now vs. clay, it would be wise to keep the rule in place. Others suggested that running parallel to a CMA series, the rule would make tire selection confusing.

-how to measure the engines under protest? Should there be a cc rule if so what would the procedure be for checking the engine?

Brian Olsen suggested using a ‘whistle tester’ for verifying the cc’s. FTC would look into the technology.  We also come to the conclusion that we would do a tear down overlooked by Brian Olsen or another certified guy that could use the tools to check out the engine. $200 for the protest, if the protested rider wins the protest then they would receive the $200. If the protested rider loses the protest then the money would go back to the rider who protested. It was suggested if there was a double header event, then the engines seams would be coated with paint (sealing) the engine until the finish of the weekend, then be inspected.

-what should the rider limits be on each track. Like the min/max.

Back and forth discussions were brought up. Some thought with good track conditions there should be no worry about limit of riders. Others felt that other riders shouldn’t be left out. Having the option of a B main or a LCQ would help this. Some felt that if you had large numbers trying to qualify for a limited number for a final, it would improve the quality of the racing all night. FTC is worried about overall numbers in the final 15 or 18?

-change the shape of the Pairs short track. Diamond shaped corners?

Many suggested that if you change the entry point of the corner (extending the straight) using tires, would help prevent riders from ‘hugging’ the inside line and give you the same effect as the triangle.

– FTC suggested creating a ditch on the infield(to prevent cutting), instead the conclusion was build a slight berm or mound on the infield.

transponder system… explain the AMB and the RFID the costs etc.

many felt that this would help increase flattrack, it was concluded that being patient developing an RFID system and having the transponder as part of the membership cost would be more valuable in long term.

Any new topics for discussion

Some suggested that we should be flexible with the rules, it was brought up Paris has been like that and needs more definitive rules. Rules that are very easy to maintain and follow, but a black and white rule should be put in place and in conclusion and to follow the rule that has been written.

– A rider’s rep was suggested, to be like a go to guy that conversed with all the riders and give the input on track prep. to the race official.

– A rule that’s made should have to wait until the following year to be resolved. There should be a rules committee, and if there happens to be an issue with one of the rules then it should be resolved by the following week.

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